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Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by nvmu

hmm... how about next month armor gets changed so that you can buy armor for 1 character and all of your characters gets a set... ya lets do that to... armor is a character achievement i guess you could say, but as long as ppl want pve titles to become account wide why not allow pve armor to become account wide
sounds stupid right, well so does pve titles becoming account wide

You can not salvage titles, titles are worthless in a monetary sense. Titles do not have a set 60, 70, 80 and 100 AL levels.
You cannot apply runes and insignias to titles. Titles cannot be bought from traders or merchants right off the bat. Titles cannot be crafted.

No, that sounds stupid, because that comparisant is just ridiculous.
The scenario you have used to degrade the idea of account titles fails, due to the fact that titles introduce no imbalance whatsoever. Account based armors, do.

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

EDIT: @ Onyx. I should buy an account with a character with GWAMM off of ebay then. That would surely mean more than me, as a player, actually achieving it.
I should also probably steal the identity of that guy in my design firm who's about to get a promotion to director. I mean, its not about the person at all. Is it?
What we have achieved 'account wise' is still what we've achieved as players. Adding 'account wise' to a sentence doesnt change a thing, it's just twisting of words.

My argument is that GWAMM is a character based title (as designed by a-net) and those that have played to achieve it as per the concept behind the title would most likely prefer to keep it character based.

Accountwise means the whole account you are playing be that 2 or 20 different chars, but regardless of the argument behind it GWAMM is a character title not an account one, maybe it was short-sighted of a-net and should have been account based, doesn't change the fact that it isn't though.

I use the term "accountwise" in the pretext above, to differentiate between a character and all the characters played by the player/account owner, therefore what we have acheived as players or accountwise is not the same as what we have acheived with a single character, nor was it meant to be if you look at how a-net implemented the max title track.

So how exactly do you allude to the "buy a GWAMM from ebay" from that

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 03, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Zwei, you aren't going to win, and you're clearly arguing with a guy who bought this game for the wrong reasons if he's willing to defend GWAMM and title grind. Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

Meanwhile, either way, this is a victory for those of us who bought this game and know what it was about back in Prophecies and stuck to that. Even if it's a small change it's still a showing that the current GW1 team is willing to change stuff towards a direction that the game we played 50$ for used to be, and was advertised to us as. But I don't think this'll be a small change knowing Linsey, so. :P Even better!

I am so glad that you know the reasons that everyone should have when buying the game,... but... lets just analyse what you said one moment...

Lets see.. if I remember that far back.. Prophecies had "NO" titles - therefore, from your statement - titles have no interest to you (being that you like it as was) and so why are you even commenting on a thread about titles changes??

I guess your $50 for prophecies was more important than others who bought it for THEIR not your reasons along with the follow up chapters. Following your arguement, Im sure there are some people who bought the game and played the game because of the titles/achievements (or anet wouldnt have put them in after checking the market).
Why should those players have to have their game changed? they have just as much right as you.

nvmu · Oct 03, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

You can not salvage titles, titles are worthless in a monetary sense. Titles do not have a set 60, 70, 80 and 100 AL levels.
You cannot apply runes and insignias to titles. Titles cannot be bought from traders or merchants right off the bat. Titles cannot be crafted.

No, that sounds stupid, because that comparisant is just ridiculous.

I was makeing a point, titles where designed the way they were, and it has been fine for the most part up tell now(3+ years) when they decide to change them, so why change it now at this stage of the game, it was fine they way it was. But hey leave it to anet to go fix the stuff thats not broken.

Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

So how exactly do you allude to the "buy a GWAMM from ebay" from that

Well, since the title shouldnt be a reflection of player achievement, it shouldnt matter if i achieved the title myself, or if someone else did it for me.

My point is, at the core, the base argument against account titles is very, very shallow.

Silverblad3 · Oct 03, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

I am glad they are looking into this, but to be honest I think it is too little too late, whether your a GWAMM or a wannabe GWAMM.

If the true intent is to reduce grind, repetitive actions then they really need to look at the following also:

repeatedly running and finding high end chests for treasure hunter and wisdom
being afk on 9 rings to get unlucky and lucky - boring and tedious with other tedious ways to increase the titles by small ammounts
Repetitive farming to make money to afford titles
Repetitive farming of event drops

They have tough decisions to make to reduce the titles would be hard on the GWAMMs and making it easier would please many folks. Me? I do not care as I am almost to my GWAMM title, actually I still have lots of afking to do on 9 rings, and running chests, and farming for event items. It keeps me interested in the game but I would rather be in parties with guildies and friends doing things together.

I guess it will be interesting to see what happens. Good luck A-net!

Silver

JONO51 · Oct 03, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

you stated that you know of a way to max 20 titles in 15 minutes, I responded that I presume it was an exploit or broken mechanic, others have since questioned this and you have upto now dodged the answer

I would assume they mean get as many titles stupidly close to max as possible, then max them all in a short space of time (15 mins as he said).

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 03, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

20 maxed titles in 15 minutes?

I'M LISTENING!!!

Or is that a typo and you meant to say 2? (which wouldn't be true, since you've still gotta come up with the cash / items to max Sweet Tooth & Party Animal titles)

Or should we just call it BS and be done?

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

JONO, if you read his post on page 12 or 13 he states it as though it is possible at present, hence why I said it is an exploit or broken mechanic, but as yet he hasn't answered that particular point to anyone

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

My point is, at the core, the base argument against account titles is very, very shallow.

My point is, that the very concept behind maxed titles is character based, there has not been one argument put forward that shows exactly why a-net should change this core concept to the complete opposite, other than to say "we want easier maxed titles" it isn't meant to be easy (tbh it isn't hugely difficult to do anyway)

pumpkin pie · Oct 03, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

buy account with GWAMM lol takes 5 minutes? hahaha

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 03, 2008, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Besides that, there is method of getting 20 maxed titles in less that 15 minutes. (No Kidding & No Lies) Does thins kind of lightning-fast GWAMM disturb you too?

The fact that you stated this yet despite being called out on it several times makes me think its one of two things :-

1) Its a statement with no basis and therefore BS - which reflects negatively on other statements made by you (and also the guild you represent on the forum).
or
2) Its the form of exploits that you have knowledge of, either by using them yourself or because theyve been used by your friends/guildies.
or
3) You were trying to make yourself look superior by meaning getting the titles to the point of almost finished and then finishing them. The time to "Maxed titles" to me means the time taken from start to finish - not for the last point on each.

If either of the first 2 is the case, then it impacts my opinion on TAM

Zaris · Oct 03, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

20 maxed titles in 15 minutes?

I'M LISTENING!!!

Or is that a typo and you meant to say 2? (which wouldn't be true, since you've still gotta come up with the cash / items to max Sweet Tooth & Party Animal titles)

Or should we just call it BS and be done?

get 9999 with wisdom/th/party/sweet and drunkard then max them in 1 minut
and do same thing with vanquisher/kurzick/luxon/mission

Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

My point is, that the very concept behind maxed titles is character based, there has not been one argument put forward that shows exactly why a-net should change this core concept to the complete opposite

Okay. Argument~

-The insane levels of grindng go against what Guild Wars originally stands for.

-A-net does not want the acquisition of titles to consume a player's social-life (part of which is why the 'time playing' reminders even exist).

A-net have woken up, looked back on their 'design brief' if you will, and see where they have gone wrong. Therefore, adjusting is being made.
Its not fixing something that isnt broken. It's improving something that isnt perfect.

seut · Oct 03, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Zaris

get 9999 with wisdom/th/party/sweet and drunkard then max them in 1 minut
and do same thing with vanquisher/kurzick/luxon/mission

leave your last missing elite skill a core skill and "capture" it with a tome -> 4 titles completed in seconds

Dr.Jones · Oct 03, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

At what this tread has become my response is this LOL PVE.

Zaris · Oct 03, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

wisdom/th/party/sweet/drunkard =5
guardian+prot=7(easy missions that take 2-3min to finish)
159points on all 4 eotn titles=4 (4 filled books saved)
master of the north =1 (kilroy hm)
elite skill hunter = 4 (tomes ftw)
9999k at luxon and kurzick = 2 (10k waiting to be donated)
sunspear+ lb at 49k= 2
total in 15mins = 25

Onyx Blindbow · Oct 03, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

So therefore you basically advocate a change to the core principal of the title track 3 years after it's implementation to the complete opposite of what it originally stood for.

I agree 100% that adjusting is needed, the reputation grind is tiresome, the allegiance grind is ridiculous, but a complete change to the opposite of it's concept? nope don't agree with that at all

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 03, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

At what this tread has become my response is this LOL PVE.

Its all your fault :P No different from the QQing in pvp areas from what Ive experienced, just a different starting subject

Pwny Ride · Oct 03, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

So therefore you basically advocate a change to the core principal of the title track 3 years after it's implementation to the complete opposite of what it originally stood for.

Yes. Precisely. That is how it's done in all areas of design. Also, complete opposite would be to have no titles. At all.

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

I agree 100% that adjusting is needed, the reputation grind is tiresome, the allegiance grind is ridiculous, but a complete change to the opposite of it's concept? nope don't agree with that at all

Titles are something that cannot be undone at this point in time. If many a player had their way, titles would be abolished completely, but the mistake was made that later additions to the guild wars francise clung to the concept of a title requirement, in order to complete and access specific tasks.

seut · Oct 03, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Zaris

wisdom/th/party/sweet/drunkard =5
guardian+prot=7(easy missions that take 2-3min to finish)
159points on all 4 eotn titles=4 (4 filled books saved)
master of the north =1 (kilroy hm)
elite skill hunter = 4 (tomes ftw)
9999k at luxon and kurzick = 2 (10k waiting to be donated)
sunspear+ lb at 49k= 2
total in 15mins = 25

you could start with vanquishing the last area of Tyria or Elona and then travel to Cantha and vanquish Bukdek Byway in about a minute-> +3titles that can be completed in less than 5mins together